Tuesday, January 03, 2006

Hey, Anonymous. Can we talk?

Hookay, so there's been some recent controversy on my friend Jaynie's blog. Someone called anonymous is obviously VERY upset with the e-pub world at large and willingly shares their strife publicly about any and all e-pubs within griping reach.

Anonymously, mind you...

It brings lot's of people out to defend or castrate e-pubs. Depending on your willingness to get on the popular boat (defending said e-pub) or be tied to the back of the popular boat (castrating said e-pub) and dragged naked through the sometimes choppy waters of the not so Love Boats territories -- it can become the battle royal.

Everyone loves a good controversy, yes?

It gives the anonymous griper a place to strike out and anyone else the op to jump on into the thick of the gripe and speak their piece.

And boy, do we ever jump. Some with both feet, some only dip a tentative toe into the pool of angst.

I dipped tentatively too, but I didn't do it anonymously. I did it with my name and pic. I also did it with enough objectivity to realize, business is business. It ain't always fair. Boo hoo.

It's the same old song, different tune. Someone's mad. That someone posts something angry and defensive so they can be "heard" in a cyber forum. Someone gets lots of people to act out in defense of or against their post.

My questions is this? Why not expend that energy elsewhere? Why not write a kick-ass book to rival all kick-ass books and beat the snot out of the karma you feel you've so unfairly been dealt? Become a best seller at the pub that's right for you and MOVE ON. Or you could mop a floor -- organize a closet -- alphabetically line up your canned goods...just a thought.

Surely, if you're not willing to give your name, you've done nothing but take secret joy out of watching this unfold. Well, what the hell kind of fun is that? To covertly post some pretty serious allegations and then, not be able to play? Isn't that a pin in your pot stirring bubble? I just know there's a name for this type of personality.

I admit, I'm very curious to know who anonymous is--who wouldn't be, especially in light of the fact that I've been (at one time or another), with some of the pubs anonymous so venomously slams. I'd love to know who this person is, the person willing to go a little of the road less traveled, but not all the way.

Would you be slitting your own wrists with every e-pub known to man if you revealed yourself? Yeah, probably, but what kind of retribution can you hope for if you do it anonymously? You can't tell anyone it's YOU. You can only garner secret, personal satisfaction with those who took your side. Isn't it a cold and lonely aisle to be in by yourself?

And if e-pubs are so horrific, why not find a new career?

Maybe writing isn't for you? Maybe breast implant sales is where your fame and fortune lies?

Maybe you've found fame and fortune in anonymity?

What's your scoop? I wanna know. Come tell me what you gain from this public outcry of favortism with an anonymous tagline. Does it make you feel better to have thrown your anger out there? Do you feel cleansed by it? Or is it frustrating as all hell to not be able to have the recognition you so clearly want and seek from a popular Internet figures blog?

I don't want to flay you--just understand why you're hellbent on career suicide and you've chosen this particular forum to tighten the noose. Because surely, you know, NO ONE is anonymous...In this day and age, with the Internet as a curious, fact seeking person's playground, NO ONE can hope not to remain anonymous for long...

So, talk to me :)

Dakota :)


  • At 1:48 PM, Blogger Isabella Jordan said…

    I agree 100%. When/if your cover gets blow, you're shot anyway. What do you have to lose now? =)

  • At 2:00 PM, Anonymous Erin the Innocent said…

    It wasn't me *innocent look*

  • At 2:16 PM, Blogger Angela James said…

    or me ;) finally, I am as innocent as Erin!

  • At 2:29 PM, Blogger Jaynie R said…

    Isn't anonymous just awesome? *snort*

    You should see my blog hits, have you seen who has posted on my blog lately.

    I wanna smooch anonymous for bringing me all this attention - ME ME ME.

    ...oh, THEY were trying to get attention. Oops, guess they should have signed their name then.

  • At 3:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    There is a reason for posting anonymously... it's called "vicious, backbiting and backstabbing" where people take delight in cruelly making up things about you when you make one comment they don't agree with... is it any wonder some of us prefer not to broadcast our names everwhere?

    ~Still anonymous... but not the one you're bitching about... I keep my bitching private.

  • At 3:42 PM, Blogger Dakota Cassidy said…

    But won't you experience just as much backlash anonomously and not have to take the heat for the comments you stir up because you didn't use your name? That's covert and kinda sneaky, no?

    Isn't that rather like not having to take responsiblity for your actions?

    Dakota :)

  • At 4:28 PM, Blogger Dakota Cassidy said…

    Oh and for the record? I have no problem when people make a comment directly to the person the comment should be aimed toward. I'm all for working things out, but I'm for working them out privately.

    Not in a public forum where you can invite other rubberneckers to join in the anonymous rubbernecking.

    Dakota :)

  • At 4:33 PM, Blogger Isabella Jordan said…

    I'm not viciously attacking you. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But why should I take you seriously? Sign your name...

  • At 4:34 PM, Anonymous M said…

    It's a firm belief that discretion is the better part of valor. See, I've taken, or have endeavoured to take, the neutral position in this debate. Can it truly be construed a debate when we're only seeing one side of it? I would much rather see both sides of the issue, or if you're going to complain, a full and proper explaination of your complaint. This would be especially useful with regard to the continually cropping up issue of Venus Press. I have seen nothing one way or the other in detailed information regarding the 'supposed' problems with them. I use the clarifier supposed because I have seen nothing detailed as of this moment.

    As it seems the right to protest anonymously is no longer acceptable to the e-author community... I will do a Jaynie... stop purchasing books, reading blogs or otherwise contributing to it. I do have better things to do with my time then listen to you all bitch without support of the gripes and complaints.

    And since you all hate anonomity... I'll sign this,


  • At 5:04 PM, Blogger Dakota Cassidy said…

    If discretion is the better part of vallor, why post anything on the matter at all? Discreet is anything but going to a public blog and posting something like only bored housewives run e-pubs.

    And how is it that we're only seeing one side of the debate? Annonymous stated hers/his side of things and everyone else stated theirs. Two sides. Wasn't that the purpose to begin with? to garner attention to anonymous' cause? However, not everyone took the side anonymous chose. It's a chance you take when you post your beef publicly, yes? Hence, a debate ensued.

    I'm only asking that anonymous
    help me to understand why it's necessary to post their anger in a PUBLIC forum under the cover of anonymity when the accusations are rather blatant. To me, it would seem that's like inviting everyone to kick dirt in the face of the geek in high school and watching gleefully.

    I do believe I was very clear in my blog, which by no means was a complaint. Why begin a controversy if you're not willing to stand by your beliefs using your own name? What do you gain from it, was my question and it remains so.

    And finally, isn't this exactly what anonymous wanted us to do? Isn't griping and bitching without support of complaints what anonymous already did? I didn't gripe back--I asked some questions out loud.

    I have to say, M, I'm very confused by your stance and terribly sorry to find that the e-experience, be it publishing, writing or otherwise, has been so horrible for you.

    Best wishes,
    Dakota :)

  • At 5:20 PM, Blogger Angela James said…

    Oh M, come play in my pond. You can even post anonymously if you want. I don't mind. Of course, the most exciting thing happening on my blog is the demands for me to cut Brianna's bangs. Of course, I like it (my blog) that way.

  • At 5:21 PM, Blogger Dakota Cassidy said…

    I like Bri's bangs...I think they're ULTRA exciting.

    DC :)

  • At 5:49 PM, Anonymous M said…

    Dakota, this is M... I will repeat the statement I made on Jaynie's blog: I am not the one who made the complaint. I commented on the responses and to Jaynie directly, I made no real complaints, I asked for clarification of statements being made. So far, no clarification has been given, only more "how dare you post anonymously" comments. Seems to me that the e-publishing world has become a clique in which you either belong or you are forever shunned from.

    And Angie - I visit your blog, but after the things I have seen since the first of the year, I think I'll be withdrawing from this adult version of high-school antics. Because that's sure as hell what some of this is becoming.


  • At 6:06 PM, Blogger Angela James said…

    Sheesh, Jaynie gains hundreds of readers from her posts and I lose them. Damn you Jaynie, I only have but so many visitors to my blog and you're driving them away. I blame you ;)

    And Dakota, Brianna's bangs touch her nose now, lol.

    In all seriousness, M, I think this is like all things, cyclic, and it will blow over and life will be calm for awhile. It's the nature of life to have drama and petty behavior and disagreements. I belong to a parenting board and believe me, if you think what you've seen the past few days is bad, you should visit a parenting board some time. It's ugly. Ugly. I hope you'll choose to search out the positive in the e-pubbing industry and among the romance world, rather than letting the negative drive you away.

  • At 6:15 PM, Blogger Dakota Cassidy said…

    M, I realize you're not anonymous. I think we're miscommunicating here. If you read the post to you, I addressed ANONYMOUS, not you, M and indeed, I'd agree wholeheartedly--it is very high school. What anonymous did was very high school-ish, wouldn't you agree?

    I'm not sure what you want clarified? I didn't make any gripes about what anonymous said. I won't defend or deny what she said.I griped about her disgruntled anonymous attitude. If you're unhappy and you want everyone to know it--tell the people involved PRIVATELY. I've made my gripe clear. Don't post something insulting and hide. Have the guts to air your differences like an adult and if you want to bring it to a public forum, do it under your name. Be prepared to defend the firestrom you've created.

    Anything can be cliquish given the opportunity, M. Every company, be it big or small has a clique. The e-pubbing world is definitely no different. However, I do believe it's all in how you handle it. If you throw the first stone, I think you have to be prepared to have some thrown back.

    Does that mean you can't stay out of it? Nah--I've managed to quite nicely. I do my own thing and mostly, I lay low. How often do you see a post like this from ME? Almost never.

    With the exception of this blog. I just couldn't help but wonder why anyone would make the claims they did on Jaynie's blog and not want to be recognized. I get downright tired of the nonsense this stuff brings and for the first time, I think I said so, but this time, I asked WHY.

    I don't believe I can remember anyone asking someone why they'd say things like anonymous did in a public forum. Usually everyone comes out with both guns loaded. I guess the writer in me wonders about the motivation something like that brings.

    Again, I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience.

    Dakota :)

  • At 6:29 PM, Anonymous M said…

    Well, the usual reason for anonymous posting is not wanting everyone to turn on the poster that's why I did them. Now, now I'm just about ready to throw in the towel. A year of bad experiences with another publisher, who for business reasons I can not name publically, completely killed my ability to write. When I finally get to a point that I am ready to write again, I come across this... so, you can see my growing doubts with e-publishers.


  • At 6:40 PM, Blogger Dakota Cassidy said…

    I understand completely, M. I hope you write agains soon.

    Dakota :)

  • At 7:14 PM, Blogger Jaynie R said…

    ohhhhh - M dude - do I know you?

    Are you who I think you are?

    Damn it woman IM me if it is you.

  • At 7:39 PM, Blogger Jaynie R said…

    ha - I do know her.

    She's actually a pretty cool chicky.

    I'm so wonderfully clever aren't I?


  • At 7:49 PM, Blogger Shannon Stacey said…

    Now Jaynie, that's just mean. We all jumped into the pool, and you're the only one getting the after-swim umbrella drink?


    And M, don't let them win...whoever they are. Write just to flip them the bird if that's what it takes, but get it back.

  • At 7:56 PM, Blogger Dakota Cassidy said…

    Amen, Shannon. However, also let go of whatever it is that happened and move forward. It's the only way, toots :)

    Dakota :)

  • At 8:58 PM, Blogger Maura said…

    This whole blogg-hopping is rather interesting. The post from ANONYMOUS greatly resembles a troll - a post made for the pretty much sole purpose of stirring the pot.

    In the land of moderating bbs' which I used to do, we called the responses "feeding the energy beast".

    But it is SO interesting to watch the responses and opinions of all the folks involved.

    Thanks to you, Dakota, and Jaynie for quite the interesting few days! I guess Jaynie is entitled to the froofy drink and the blog traffic!

  • At 9:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Oh look girls... there's a sale at Victoria Secrets!

    ~R - The Misdirection Champ

  • At 9:11 PM, Blogger Dakota Cassidy said…

    LOLLOLLOLLOL. Oh, honey--yer so cute :)

    Dakota :)

  • At 9:15 PM, Blogger Dakota Cassidy said…

    Thanks for dropping by, Maura! Please stop by and read some of the other stuff. Truly, I'm the least controversial author you'll ever know.

    Honest Injun :)

    Dakota :)

  • At 9:19 PM, Blogger Maura said…

    Injun? Where? I love Injuns!

    Dang - made me look!

    I bookmarked your blog and website, Dakota, 'cause I like your work.... The controversy and flames are just icing on the cake...


  • At 9:30 PM, Blogger Dakota Cassidy said…

    aw, well, thanks, cookie! I don't much post anything other than my sick love for R (snort) Stuff about my devil spawn and life in general. LOLLOL

    Today, curiosity got the better of me and I went for it. I didn't do it to cause more controversy. I didn't do it so people will buy my books. I do okay in the sale dept, minus stirring the pot. If you know me, then you know I'm just sickly curious. I did it because I genuinely want to know what motivates people :)

    I think it went alright for my first time controversy, don't you? LOL

    Dakota :)

  • At 9:38 PM, Blogger Maura said…

    I think it was a great first time controversy - if you don't count the whole wolf vs. lion thing :) Those mixed relationships can tricky too - not to mention tail-tangling!

    I expressed my own curiousity about what purpose the original posting served as well. I can't help it, I was a psych student!

    My blog ends up with a lot of stuff about life, craft projects, hubby and my own devil spawn. Though I'm trying to branch out into reviewing all these books I read. We'll see how long THAT resolution lasts! It's either that or open a used book shop! As a matter of fact, I think your latest work is on the list to post a review of...*chortle*


  • At 9:43 PM, Blogger Dakota Cassidy said…

    Jaynie made me get a blog and if u can believe it--I lost the original one. LOLLOL

    Um, have I said OY to the potential review? LOLLOL

    S'okay, cookie--if ya hate it, I can live with it. I may hurl myself from a building--but I don't want you to suffer from ANY guilt at ALL over it. LOLLOL

    Dakota :)

  • At 9:47 PM, Blogger Maura said…

    I'm Scottish, we don't believe in guilt! Revenge perhaps, but guilt's right out!

    Of course, I am the woman who responded to her 18 year old's phone calls asking for an XBOX-360 for Christmas by:
    a) laughing hysterically
    b) sending him socks and underwear and not sending his Monty Python DVD set until after Christmas


    But don't worry - Moon Over Manhasset made me laugh! I loved it.

    - Maura

  • At 9:52 PM, Blogger Dakota Cassidy said…

    Oh, A-freakin'-men! LOL and thank you :)

    Yer my kinda mom, Maura. I tell girls who call here for my son that he can't come to the phone because he's doing the traditional ritualistic human sacrifice in the backyard. LOLLOL

    You're a PIP, Maura. You should come play on our group. It's called the babes and resident celeb blogger Jaynie is there too...

    Dakota :)

  • At 10:02 PM, Blogger Maura said…

    oooh - I like the answer to the girls who call your son. I'll have to remember that when my younger spawn (the four year old also known as "Surprise") gets older.

    I told my hubby that I could have been even more cruel by packing the socks and underwear in an xbox 360 box! Fortunately for him, I was too lazy to call around to find a box to use...

    If the rest of the folks in the babes are like you and Jaynie, I'd love it. Most folks run the other direction from my rather ... umm... forthright and wacky personality!

    Send a link to me if you would - raven @ realmsoftheraven.com.

    - Maura

  • At 10:05 PM, Blogger Dakota Cassidy said…

    We'd love to have ya--we have no controversy there either--we just laugh a lot, mostly, at ME. LMAO

    Consider it done.

    Dakota :)

  • At 8:25 AM, Blogger Cheyenne McCray said…

    No kidding, Dakota. Amazing how people can hide behind "anonymous" to take digs at authors or publishers. They need to get over it and find a life. And yes, I think you're right, no one stays anonymous long in this internet world!


  • At 12:23 PM, Anonymous Daria said…

    people hide behind 'anonymous' because it is virtually, pun intended, impossible to have a reasonable and critical discussion about epublishers, even if you are an epublished author. Even on private lists. Anywhere but in private emails. I've met authors who praised a certain publisher in public and then shared private emails describing horror stories. Although to be honest, the same situation takes place in every industry. The real naming and calling takes place behind the stage.
    But the defensiveness of epublished authors is a fact. You will never, ever hear anything bad. Well, almost. If you ask any epublished author publicly whether they are happy with their publisher, your teeth will hurt from all the sugar in their reply. Which simply reflects their good business sense. Like one of my friends in a similar situation said, you don't bite the hand that feeds you while there is still food to be eaten.

  • At 12:29 PM, Blogger Dakota Cassidy said…

    Amen, Daria. You're right--it isn't good business sense to post or spew in ANY forum the publisher you write for negatively.

    However, if you have a beef, my firm belief is still that you should take it where is belongs--to the person who's given you so much grief. Don't drag it all over cyber space under the pretense and cloak of anonymity :)

    Dakota :)


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